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Poster: Shug909 Date: Aug 30, 2018 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead & Co.

I hear ya, Tell, and yeah I agree there were better vocals on the Dead's studio albums than live, but there are still plenty of spots that some would say are not that great, like the studio version of Attics. That blend, to my ears, is not nearly as harmonious, as Crosby Stills and Nash typically were in the studio and nowhere near as good as The Everlys or the Louvin Brothers or The Byrds were in the studio. One's mans' "good" is another man's "fair", I guess. I know the Dead tried to sing "good" but that to me was really never their strength for whatever reasons. But they would, to my ears, fucking NAIL it every once in awhile, like Jerry's high harmonies on many 80s versions of Promised Land or Bobby and Donna on '77 Looks Like Rains

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Poster: HankAndLeeStamper Date: Aug 31, 2018 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead & Co.

What's sort of amusing to me about all of this, is that I found what Dead Co were truly missing was the vocals. I NEVER in a million years would have said "the irreplaceable part of the dead will be garcia's vocals" but it's true. There is a post later on about seeing ratdog in a club v dead/co in a stadium/arena. spot on. i enjoyed that stuff more. of course bobby was like 50-55 in those days, not the 70ish that he is now.
In terms of when it all "died out" I only saw the band from the first post-coma show onward and i like to think i saw pretty goddam good music over those 7 years or so. I don't just like to think it, actually, i DID see/hear plenty of it. Having this archive years later, I understand what i saw wasn't Veneta or the Carousel or anything close. But it was better than anything else i saw out there as an option in those days. Maybe that's what young people think about DeadCo? I disagree (unlike the dead in the 80s, i think there are a lot better options for music than deadco here in the 21st century teens), but i'm 50something not 20something.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 31, 2018 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead & Co.

I've always thought this aspect is underappreciated (Jerry's vocals were critical)...it's why I drone on about the decline, because by the late 70s, most nights live, he was not what he once was...blah, blah, blah. Plus, the "magic" leaves the Hunter/Garcia team on lyrics/tunes.

Hmm, not a fan of the Talking Heads or the Police, eh? I took them and the Blasters over 80s DEAD any day...

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Poster: HankAndLeeStamper Date: Aug 31, 2018 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead & Co.

There was some great stuff in the 80s, it's true. I did love the Police and Talking Heads (and U2), but didn't get hip to the Blasters til I was older (still in high school til '84, police and heads were popular at that age, but not blasters). And I love Springsteen, who was huge then and rightly so. And there was the more "college" stuff that I loved, the Replacements coming immediately to mind.
The Neville Brothers and the Radiators spoiled me young though, and my craving was always for what to see live, and in the whole of the 80s I saw the Police, U2, Springsteen and Replacements once each, and the Heads not at all. In that sense, especially once I moved west, the dead were always there, live, without a net so to speak. Though from an honest critical perspective, I think the Neville Brothers at a club holding under 1000 were probably the best live act of the 80s (that I saw at least, maybe excepting the Boss. Maybe.)
(edit: I only went to post-coma shows, and as a result i often saw "clean" Jerry, who i think sounded pretty good on vocals a lot more than he did at certain other points in his life)(second edit: also, i was usually dosed or at least shrooming, so my judgment of "hunh! can't hit the high notes Fat Man?? was perhaps not as critical as it may have been)

This post was modified by HankAndLeeStamper on 2018-08-31 23:36:07

This post was modified by HankAndLeeStamper on 2018-08-31 23:40:39

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 30, 2018 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dead & Co.

Agreed...I just stopped giving them the chance to do it in the 80s, and 90s, but I take you at your word that it did happen for you (and others).

That was the beauty of the DEAD, during any era I suppose--for one of us, at a given moment, they nailed it.